Wednesday, August 8, 2007

Kimkins Members on the Attack

I really, really, really have to wonder why a handful of Kimkins members feel that it is both wise and supportive to their cause to post crap like this around the web.

I also wonder why anyone would read this sort of vitriolic spew and still consider joining their "happy community". If these are the type of people that hang around the Kimkins forum all day, I will certainly pass on that experience!

The statements below are quoted from various forums, comment lists and websites.

From "Fatkins"
Oh PUH-leez. Kimkins gets the weight off. That’s better than staying fat and definitely better than clogging your arteries with greasy burgers and bacon all day as you swallow your pride and wallow in your misery staying fat and wondering what you’re doing to stay fat!
(my reply - Oh, how utterly stupid. You act as if Kimkins is the only diet plan in the world, which is it not and it certainly is not the best.)

From "Kimkins4me"
How sad all of you are railing on something you can’t do yourselves! Suck it up and either do it or shut up already!
(my reply - Please try to understand the difference between "can't" and "too smart to".)

From "ilovekimkins"
I can’t stomach the idea of being forced to make myself eat tubs of lard and pounds of bacon each day. Lean low carb is ideal and works better than any other diet out there. Try it before you criticize it!
(my reply - Please quote page number and paragraph of any of the Atkins books wherein it suggests one eat tubs of lard and pounds of bacon each day?)

From "DrFatkinsSucks"
Good heavens! Kimkins is a lean low-carb plan, like any other low-carb plan and healthy! If I don’t want to eat bacon and drink cream everyday why are you insisting I should? I don’t need to eat a greasy diet and die from heart disease.
(my reply - Again, please quote page number and paragraph of any of the Atkins books wherein it says you must eat bacon and drink cream everyday. I'll ignore the fact that you think Kimkins and vLCD's are healthy for now.)

From "Trouble"
She has offered proof, she’s said that it’s her in the red dress. This may blow your mind, but many of us believe her.
(my reply - It does blow my mind that anyone would accept a photograph online as PROOF of any claim related to health and nutrition when one's personal health and very life is on the line.)

From "Ted"
Sounds to me like sour grapes. I see the light now. You are jealous of the money. Something like “why didnt I think of that?” Get a life and move on.
(my reply - I have more money :P)

From KIMMER herselfNow I would have thoguht that impossible to misconstrue? Leave it to a Negative Nancy to accomplish the impossible. “Post supportively” is for Jimmy’s benefit who has been a strong supporter of Kimkins members, their member generated support forums and appreciative of their impressive weight losses. What I don’t want are Kimkins members to write anything at any website even remotely similar to the tone of Kimmerexia’s posts. Leave negativity to the pros. Jimmy has an important announcement later today and I support him 100%.
(my reply - Why would Kimmer feel she has the right to control what anyone says? Hmm.)

More from KIMMER herself
Rockytoad you need some professional help, perhaps Weight Watchers might do you some good since you don’t have the self-discipline needed to really get those last pounds off and are still stuck in your negative thinking patterns.

“Kimmerexia you can’t handle the truth so go eat your greasy bacon and butter laden steaks and leave me to my important work to help people have a safe place to fall when they fail eating your beloved diet from Dr. Fatkins!”
(my reply - Although some think that these were not actually written by Kimmer, there are many eye-opening examples of similar posts on her own forum, using the exact same language and "tone".)

From "KimkinsFan"
Give me a break people! Jimmy isn’t stupid enough to actually listen to all this hate for Kimmer. He adores her and she adores him. He loves being on Kimkins and no matter how much you all think you are going to persuade him to go back to eating a high fat diet. He doesn’t want to stay fat! Don’t you all get that? Don’t you get that he found Kimmer and her diet and is now on his way to finally losing that ugly fat he still is stuck with because Atkins didn’t do it for him? Get a life people, Jimmy is one of us! Jimmy this is for you. Just ignore the haters and play in our positive sandbox. You don’t need them. You need to lose the fat and Kimmer is helping you do that. No regrets Jimmy. No excuses Jimmy. You can do it!
(my reply - First, it's bad form to speak for someone else. Jimmy certainly spoke for himself with his own blog, didn't need you to do it for him. Secondly, he lost almost 200 pounds on ATKINS, not Kimkins. Also, this "us against them" idea is very scary - it is from posts such as this that many have been whispering the "cult" word.)

More from "KimkinsFan"
You couldn’t discipline yourself Morgan that is why you now are out to smear Kimmer and her way. Get over it. You can’t do it. Nothing more than that. But you hide behind this illusion that Jimmy isn’t loyal to Kimmer, that she’s putting up with him because he makes her money and she makes him money. It isn’t about money. It’s about losing the fat. You can’t and you’re free to go back to Fatkins if you want the easy way out. Kimmer is tough. Kimkins is tough. It’s good to learn discipline. You should try it sometime.

(my reply - This person is not acquainted with "Morgan" at all and does not have any information about her life or her diet history, pure supposition designed to hurt feelings.)

I could post MANY many more of these insane little quippets from the Kimkins camp, but these give a very adequate representation of what the members are saying (at least a few of them, or perhaps its the same person with several nicks).

What I see is denial, a fierce battle against some imagined enemy and other worrying signs. Many of the quotes feature a similar theme - anyone that isn't on Kimkins is miserable and fat or too weak to follow their tough, tough plan, or not motivated, wanting to eat greasy burgers and tubs of lard. It really is rather frightening to read these comments when none of them are founded in truth or factual evidence, simply attempts at very low personal attacks.

To all of those Kimkins members that feel the need to post comments such as these, I would ask one thing. If you want people to think highly of Kimkins, it's founder and the plans contained therein, perhaps you could post relevant, factual information, such as medical studies that corroborate Kimmer's claims or at the very least try to debate the "naysayers" with a bit of dignity?

I know you disagree, but you aren't doing Kimkins any favors by posting things like this. When someone who is not involved in the issue reads the lists of comments and forums and sees the "naysayers" posting medical studies and factual information in a generally polite and concerned manner and then reads replies from the Kimkins camp filled with nothing but childish insults, what sort of opinion you do think they will form of Kimkins and it's members?

Think about it.

I also would like to express my sincere regret for those who are on the Kimkins plan and not involved in this juvenile banter. I am sorry that your club friends are going around the websites making the rest of you look foolish. There are many people on the Kimkins website that are not this idiotic, and who are smart enough to remain quiet as there is no logical, factual debate to be made by that side of the issue.

In closing, I would just like to state for the record that NOWHERE in the Atkins diet plans (any version) does it suggest eating tubs of lard, tons of bacon, greasy cheeseburgers or any of the other asinine foods suggested by those above.


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